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Offline dougdirt

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Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« on: December 31, 2013, 06:41:51 PM »
As the regulars here probably know, I cover baseball for a living. Most of my work is actually video and writing related, and all of my video is hosted on youtube. A couple of years ago they approached me to run advertising since my channel was getting enough traffic to make it worth while. I had to tell them that I had the rights to post my videos, and I just told them that I was a credentialed media member for the teams at the various places I went to (which is 100% true). That was good enough for them. I now have 260 videos uploaded over the past 4 years.

Last week I uploaded a video, some of you saw it in the video section as I was asking for thoughts on the new introduction. Like always, I "monetized" the video, clicking the box that says I have the rights to the video. A few days later I uploaded another video and did the same thing. However I noticed a notification in the upper corner by my username. So I clicked it. My previous video was "under review" for the monetization and I was asked to provide additional information on it. I figured that since I added music, they wanted to check it out. So I linked them to the website that I got the music from along with the page that tells you exactly how to credit the artist for the music and I left it at that.

I logged in two days ago to see if it had been approved and I had another notification. They wanted even more information for my most recent video. What did they want to know? Well, that I created all of the graphics in my video, what program(s) I used and the freaking license agreements to those softwares that allowed my usage to create commercial products with them. They also again wanted me to provide credit for the music used in the video. So after digging around on google, I found someone else who had a similar issue and they shared the license agreement PDF from adobe's website.

About 45 minutes ago they emailed me and told me that my music credit was not done properly and that I needed to provide some sort of proof that I have the rights to use the game footage.

The music is credited in my video as a still at the end of the video as:

Intro music by:
Dan-O at http://danosongs.com

I provided them with this screen capture from the guys website. I don't know how I am improperly crediting him.



For proof that I have the rights to use the videos, I simply took an picture of all of my various media credentials over the years (there are 10 or so in the image - most of which have my name printed on them, not written) and then scanned a copy of the back of it and highlighted the part about video "taping" at the games.



If this isn't good enough for them, then I simply give up. I usually don't even make $100 a month from youtube, so this is painfully frustrating that I am having to go through all of this crap to post some stinking videos of minor league baseball players.

/end rant

Thanks for listening.

Offline AndyCivil

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2013, 07:54:15 PM »
I agree with you about YouTube, google's dominance is unfortunate. I've done a few videos and racked up a lifetime earning of over $200 which I haven't claimed yet because it has to be worth my while to share my bank details with Google! In a way, it seems lucrative because although the payout is small, it goes on, and on, and on... every time I do a new video my earning per month goes up. But I'm worried that if I invest a lot of time in making it a viable sideline, google could take offence over something and trash the whole account. And you can't just start up a new account, that's not allowed. I hope you find a way out of your troubles, but this possibility is exactly why it's so risky.

If there's any element that you can just switch to something else, I would do it. (That obviously doesn't apply to the source of your content, you can't change that.) And if they only object to a small number of videos, it might even be worth taking them off monetisation rather than risk the whole channel. It sucks, but they're bigger than you are.

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2013, 08:03:14 PM »
Just got an email back. Apparently that was not good enough for them. Here was their response:

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Hello,

Your documentation does not appear to give sufficient COMMERCIAL rights for your video to participate in monetization.

If you would like to learn about what YouTube looks for in your documentation, refer to http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=2490090. If you would like to learn about how to read a license to understand your rights, refer to http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=2490089.

Please note that messages, comments, and postings from social media websites (e.g., Facebook, Twitter, Google+, etc.) or blogs may not be sufficient to establish your commercial use rights.

Once you have the appropriate documentation, please email it to us as an attachment.


Sincerely,

The YouTube Team


I am glad they specified which part wasn't good enough. I don't know if the video is now good and the music isn't, or if the music is good and the video isn't or if none of it is good at all.

So I had to email them back asking that part of it. Such a pain in the butt.

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2013, 08:14:25 PM »
This is just a wild guess, but I'm thinking that the tag you posted gives you permission to take the video, but doesn't say anything about your ability to use that video commercially, which is probably in some agreement you signed when they gave you the tag.

It's a bit like you having permission to take someone's photo, but you can't use it in a calendar unless the 'model' has signed a 'release'.

As I say, just a guess.

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2013, 08:41:26 PM »
This is just a wild guess, but I'm thinking that the tag you posted gives you permission to take the video, but doesn't say anything about your ability to use that video commercially, which is probably in some agreement you signed when they gave you the tag.

It's a bit like you having permission to take someone's photo, but you can't use it in a calendar unless the 'model' has signed a 'release'.

As I say, just a guess.

You may be right, but I hope not since I have no copy, nor was I ever given a copy of that. In fact, I have actually only had to sign it once, way back in 2009 (it applies for all minor league places) and have never had to sign another one.

The pass clearly gives me approval to shoot the video. The pass clearly also acknowledges that I am a "news gathering organization". It is implied that it will be used and short of PBS or something like that, news programs are "commercial endeavors".

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2014, 10:02:03 AM »
They got back to me. They told me that the music isn't right and that I need more proof for the video. Unreal.

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 06:42:48 PM »
So I emailed them back earlier, with this:
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How about the attachment for the music. Does that one work?

I guess I am still trying to figure out exactly what is needed for the game footage if the team itself allows me field access and access to designated filming areas while also providing me with information on the credential about where and when I can "video tape", but that isn't enough to prove that they allow me to actually use what I film.


I also attached this PDF file.

Here is their response:

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Hello,

Your original query has been dealt with by the Partner Support team. Please refer back to our previous emails, and carefully follow the instructions provided.

Should you have any additional queries regarding this matter, we encourage you to explore the available resources in the YouTube Help Center at: http://support.google.com/youtube/ which contain related articles in a variety of topics.


Sincerely,

The YouTube Team


The previous instructions, I guess, is this link: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2490020
Or this link: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2490090

Of course, they still aren't telling me much of anything. My original query was dealt with by the partner support team? Does that mean I am good on something? If so, what? Does it mean they are looking into it? If so, what exactly are they looking into? Does it mean they are denying it? If so, what exactly was the freaking original query that they are denying?

Also, how about instead of sending me a bunch of freaking links, you just freaking tell me what the hell it is that you want me to do and what to send you. Clearly you believe I am crediting the music wrong. Tell me what the hell it is you want it to say then. Clearly you want me to provide you something else about the video rights. So tell me what it is that you want me to actually send you. Why is this so freaking difficult? Are these robots responding to me?

It is almost like they don't want me to make them money by running advertising on their videos.

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2014, 08:43:10 PM »
It is implied that it will be used and short of PBS or something like that, news programs are "commercial endeavors".
Implicit permission
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https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2490020
... you would have to get explicit written permission from the rights owners that own the rights to the performance you recorded.
Explicit permission

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Re: Youtube is being a pain in my butt
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2014, 09:17:49 PM »
By the way, talking to YouTube is bound to be a frustrating experience because they're not going to want the front line staff saying anything individual or creative, or anything that could become subject to "Hey, but you said...". Therefore, they will always refer you to specific pages on the website rather than saying anything themselves. Those pages have been cleared by the lawyers, and won't get anyone into trouble.