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Re: If you play along with the Photo Of The Month, read this please.
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2013, 04:27:20 PM »
Due to the very low turnout of recent POTM submissions, I think I am going to make an executive decision starting with next month and post the shots right as they come in. I will still keep the identity top secret but I will post the shots right away to see if that stirs the juices any.
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Re: If you play along with the Photo Of The Month, read this please.
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 04:53:19 PM »
I like your thinking.
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Re: If you play along with the Photo Of The Month, read this please.
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2013, 10:34:55 AM »
Composite images.

As long as all parts were taken in the relevant month, are they ok for POTM?
C&C always welcome. If you want to try re-editing any of my shots, feel free.

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2013, 10:40:20 AM »
Composite images.

As long as all parts were taken in the relevant month, are they ok for POTM?
While I will be interested in hearing what the higher-ups say, I personally think that composite images are fine - as long as all parts were taken in the relevant shooting period.

I mean - we allow all other forms of post processing, why not that - this certainly isnt a SOOC competition or anything... I know I have very heavily edited several shots I have entered before (can't remember if I have added anything that wasn't there, but I would have no problem if someone did - I almost did this time but ended up deciding not to)
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Re: If you play along with the Photo Of The Month, read this please.
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2013, 10:44:10 AM »
Composite images.

As long as all parts were taken in the relevant month, are they ok for POTM?
While I will be interested in hearing what the higher-ups say, I personally think that composite images are fine - as long as all parts were taken in the relevant shooting period.

I mean - we allow all other forms of post processing, why not that - this certainly isnt a SOOC competition or anything... I know I have very heavily edited several shots I have entered before (can't remember if I have added anything that wasn't there, but I would have no problem if someone did - I almost did this time but ended up deciding not to)
I will side with the No side on this one.  I believe there is a huge difference between heavy editing and ADDING something to the image. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE photo manipulations.  I really do.   But I believe adding something to an image is wrong for the "intent" of our competitions.  Photoshopped images have plenty of websites where those can be entered.  Heck, I am even up for having a thread dedicated to such works (didn't we try once before??) but not for POTM shots.
Just MHO.  YMMV.
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2013, 10:47:50 AM »
I will side with the No side on this one.  I believe there is a huge difference between heavy editing and ADDING something to the image. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE photo manipulations.  I really do.   But I believe adding something to an image is wrong for the "intent" of our competitions.  Photoshopped images have plenty of websites where those can be entered.  Heck, I am even up for having a thread dedicated to such works (didn't we try once before??) but not for POTM shots.
Just MHO.  YMMV.
Just using this as an example - so you would have a problem with the Niagara Falls shot I posted about a year ago? The one where I took photos of fireworks over the river, then just after them shot the American Falls, the stuck the fireworks into the falls shot?

Not attacking your stance, more just wanting a full understanding of it :)
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Re: If you play along with the Photo Of The Month, read this please.
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2013, 10:54:31 AM »
I will side with the No side on this one.  I believe there is a huge difference between heavy editing and ADDING something to the image. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE photo manipulations.  I really do.   But I believe adding something to an image is wrong for the "intent" of our competitions.  Photoshopped images have plenty of websites where those can be entered.  Heck, I am even up for having a thread dedicated to such works (didn't we try once before??) but not for POTM shots.
Just MHO.  YMMV.
How do you feel about removing things for the sake of the PTOM? eg unwanted signs, unwanted powerlines, say a flock of birds but you didn't want all of them so you remove a couple... Because you could say that is exactly the same as adding things - it is creating a scene that could not/did not exist... Same can be said about extreme colour changes etc in sunrise/sunset shots...


Or are you just aiming to draw the line in the sand and that is the point of which you personally feel it should be drawn?

Again - I'm not attacking you, I am just interested in your reasoning. I'm not intending to offend anyone even if I accidentally do!
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2013, 10:56:04 AM »
I will side with the No side on this one.  I believe there is a huge difference between heavy editing and ADDING something to the image. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE photo manipulations.  I really do.   But I believe adding something to an image is wrong for the "intent" of our competitions.  Photoshopped images have plenty of websites where those can be entered.  Heck, I am even up for having a thread dedicated to such works (didn't we try once before??) but not for POTM shots.
Just MHO.  YMMV.
Just using this as an example - so you would have a problem with the Niagara Falls shot I posted about a year ago? The one where I took photos of fireworks over the river, then just after them shot the American Falls, the stuck the fireworks into the falls shot?

Not attacking your stance, more just wanting a full understanding of it :)
Yes I would have a problem with it for 2 reasons.  The time that it was taken and the fact that it was more than one image.  I would say that photo would kick ass in a Photo Manipulation contest but would be dishonest with the intent of our  PTOM competitions.
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2013, 10:58:56 AM »
Yes I would have a problem with it for 2 reasons.  The time that it was taken and the fact that it was more than one image.  I would say that photo would kick ass in a Photo Manipulation contest but would be dishonest with the intent of our  PTOM competitions.
Fair enough - I disagree but I respect your opinion on the matter :)
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2013, 11:00:03 AM »
I will side with the No side on this one.  I believe there is a huge difference between heavy editing and ADDING something to the image. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE photo manipulations.  I really do.   But I believe adding something to an image is wrong for the "intent" of our competitions.  Photoshopped images have plenty of websites where those can be entered.  Heck, I am even up for having a thread dedicated to such works (didn't we try once before??) but not for POTM shots.
Just MHO.  YMMV.
How do you feel about removing things for the sake of the PTOM? eg unwanted signs, unwanted powerlines, say a flock of birds but you didn't want all of them so you remove a couple... Because you could say that is exactly the same as adding things - it is creating a scene that could not/did not exist... Same can be said about extreme colour changes etc in sunrise/sunset shots...


Or are you just aiming to draw the line in the sand and that is the point of which you personally feel it should be drawn?

Again - I'm not attacking you, I am just interested in your reasoning. I'm not intending to offend anyone even if I accidentally do!
I don't think (I HOPE) you're gonna offend anyone because you are just clarifying...which is always a good thing I believe.
But to answer your question: I think "cleaning" a photo up is not the same as putting something in there that obviously did not belong or was not there in the first place. 
Yes it can be a fine line even with cleaning but I (again...just MHO) give that more leeway than adding images to "create" something that could not have been taken otherwise.
If worse came to worse, I would err on the high side and say no clean up...before I would say multiple images are acceptable.
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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2013, 11:03:01 AM »
Yes I would have a problem with it for 2 reasons.  The time that it was taken and the fact that it was more than one image.  I would say that photo would kick ass in a Photo Manipulation contest but would be dishonest with the intent of our  PTOM competitions.
Fair enough - I disagree but I respect your opinion on the matter :)

And I see your point too (and completely respect it!)
But let me ask you this: If someone has the competition some time and the subject matter is animals (for example).  Can I take a photo of a white horse and then go take a photo of a horn and photoshop it onto his head to make a Unicorn for PTOM?
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2013, 11:04:59 AM »
I don't think (I HOPE) you're gonna offend anyone because you are just clarifying...which is always a good thing I believe.
But to answer your question: I think "cleaning" a photo up is not the same as putting something in there that obviously did not belong or was not there in the first place. 
Yes it can be a fine line even with cleaning but I (again...just MHO) give that more leeway than adding images to "create" something that could not have been taken otherwise.
If worse came to worse, I would err on the high side and say no clean up...before I would say multiple images are acceptable.
Haha - OK so we draw different lines - I see removal of stuff to be on par with adding of stuff (possibly to a slightly lesser extent) purely because you are creating an image that did not exist...

But it's good to know where you stand - and also interesting because I now know you would hate many of the image I have entered into the POTMs previously :P as I said before, I don't think I have ever added anything, but I have certainly damn well removed stuff!
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2013, 11:08:43 AM »
And I see your point too (and completely respect it!)
But let me ask you this: If someone has the competition some time and the subject matter is animals (for example).  Can I take a photo of a white horse and then go take a photo of a horn and photoshop it onto his head to make a Unicorn for PTOM?
Yes if you want, BUT most people would think it was stupid and not vote for it because it is a very obvious chop and one that does create something that isn't real...

Going back to my fireworks example, unless you knew exactly what the deal was with the fireworks on that particular night, there is no reason why the two shots could not have been taken as one because the length of time I left my shutter open for the falls shot was approximately the same as for the various fireworks shot... All it required would have been the fireworks to be launched about 80 degrees to my left.
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2013, 11:12:40 AM »
(starting a new box here...quoting can take up a lot of room)
I have removed trash and even road signs from my images before. Heck I know I have removed power lines from scenic shots too.  I suppose I could have gone and cut down the power lines and road signs before taking the image but someone would get all testy if I did that. 
That's one reason I don't object to "cleaning" up an image.  There's nothing worse than taking a beautiful lake side scenic shot only to see a discarded McDonalds sack at waters edge, yanno?
But to add a unicorn to a farm scene certainly is on a slightly different level of manipulation, isn't it?  (and using your standard, it WOULD be allowable, right?) 

By the way..I rather enjoy this form of clarification and question asking.  It can only help put our PTOM works into a better focus (pun not intended). 
I look forward to hearing what the Upper Echelon have to say about this too.  :D
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2013, 11:15:15 AM »

Going back to my fireworks example, unless you knew exactly what the deal was with the fireworks on that particular night, there is no reason why the two shots could not have been taken as one because the length of time I left my shutter open for the falls shot was approximately the same as for the various fireworks shot... All it required would have been the fireworks to be launched about 80 degrees to my left.

Let me ask you from another viewpoint: Would you feel comfortable letting people believe you took that kind of shot when you know you didn't?  Personally, I couldn't do that and never would. 
I suppose it would be up to the comfort level of the submitter.
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