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Offline MikeTheGoalie

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What am I doing wrong?
« on: July 26, 2013, 03:07:49 PM »
I've been trying to learn more and more of photography and the T2i camera settings.

I still can't get these big vibrant colors I used to with my cheap H3 Sony digital camera.

Today I was out trying to take some pictures of some storm clouds and I couldn't get anything that resembled what I was actually seeing with my eye.

The clouds were bright white - and the trees were bright, green... and this is what I am getting

1/1250 - F8 ISO 100
« Last Edit: July 26, 2013, 03:09:43 PM by MikeTheGoalie »

Offline Ochotona

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2013, 03:15:09 PM »
Just looks under exposed to me.  1/1250 f8 ISO 100 doesn't let much light in.  Which exposure mode were you using (i.e. Auto, TV, AV, M, etc.)?

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2013, 03:27:00 PM »
"M"...

If I let more light in, the clouds just got washed out and you couldn't see the detail in them...

I see so many shots on here from others and I am like DAMN! I wish I could do that.

I was using the stock 18-55mm lens was well.

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2013, 03:27:39 PM »
Just looks under exposed to me.  1/1250 f8 ISO 100 doesn't let much light in.  Which exposure mode were you using (i.e. Auto, TV, AV, M, etc.)?
Also, possibly what exposure metering mode - if you were using spot metering and hit on a really bright bit of the cloud that would make it use settings that would underexpose it...
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2013, 03:29:11 PM »
Just looks under exposed to me.
I agree.  I raised the exposure of your shot by about a stop, and brought out some of the shadows and it looks just fine. Those bright white clouds confuse your camera just like shooting snow. Try the same type of shot using exposure compensation of one or two stops.
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2013, 03:36:05 PM »
It's set to Partial Metering... 

That the general rule? Or should I change it?

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2013, 03:42:43 PM »
It's set to Partial Metering... 

That the general rule? Or should I change it?
If you're shooting full manual it doesn't matter as much because you aren't letting it decide anything, and therefore you can listen to, or ignore, the metering it gives you...

I randomly use different ones depending on what I am feeling like at the time :P if I'm shooting in Av or Tv, I often like spot, because that way I can get good exposure on the subject that I specifically want... That being said, spot doesn't really work for landscapes like that one...
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2013, 05:24:06 PM »
It's set to Partial Metering... 

That the general rule? Or should I change it?

On a landscape like your shot I'd use evaluative metering personally, and then check the shot and the histogram.  Check the shot to see if it looks right, and the histogram to see if the whites are blown out.  But any metering mode could work if you know what's being sampled - for instance in your shot with partial metering you only metered off the cloud.

Also, do you edit your work after downloading it?  You can boost the brightness and color saturation to give you shots a little more pop.

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2013, 05:29:38 PM »
Point and Shoot cameras are often set to artificially enhance colour, just so they look good in the store.

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2013, 07:35:16 PM »
I took the liberty of downloading your photo, importing it into Lightroom4 and doing some adjustments.

Is this what you are expecting?

You may not be able to view the adjustments that I made in LR4.  If you download the screen shot and view it on your computer from the download, it might show up bigger than it does on the forum.

In addition to the adjustments that you see on the right hand side of the screen shot, I used a plugin called "Simple Polorizer"  What it does is raise the blues and aqua levels just like if you had used a polarizing filter.

Also, remember that white clouds are kind of like shooting snow.  Your meter thinks it is 18% Gray.  So if you expose to the Right, meaning over expose 2/3 to a stop, that might help, but you will still need to make adjustments in post production.

If I had the original file, bigger file, and if it was in RAW, I think you could do more with it than what I was able to do.

Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2013, 07:41:49 PM by bandmandq »
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2013, 08:11:01 PM »
Good work Bandman!

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2013, 08:24:30 PM »
Good work Bandman!

No kidding. That is pretty much what I was looking for.
That to me look more to what I actually saw.

I guess I will have to play with LR. I just don't understand it! LOL

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2013, 08:33:32 PM »
I played around with CS2..  looks like HDR but I guess I'll have to practice some post production to get that exact look I want. :)

I went a little 'overboard' on this one.. but just seeing what it all does.

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2013, 09:32:34 PM »
I might add that in LR4 I always click the Auto button first. Then I make adjustments from there. Like to bring out the houses and trees I raised the Shadows slider.

So don't be afraid to use that Auto button (even with CS2), see what it does to the photo and if you like it. Then adjust from there.
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2013, 10:00:13 PM »
I don't want to head off where this conversation has gone but I do want to chime in the the metering selection.

I used to be 100% in the corner of spot metering all the time. Even with landscape I would spot meter a few crucial spots then come to an average but then it dawned on me, (actually I paid attention to what lots of accomplished photographers were doing), anyway it came to me that evaluative metering was doing exactly what I was trying to do myself. Now what I am telling you is that it took me a long time to embrace that the meter in my camera does a pretty damn good job with landscapes.

Having said that, If you are not going to bracket and then blend multiple shots then you are going to have to accept that your t2i is only going to give you about 8 stops of dynamic range. That scene is easily in the 12-14 stop range if not more. If you shoot a single shot then you are going to have to compromise something somewhere. The only other way around it is to use a graduated ND filter and bring down the highlights in the sky by several stops giving the land a chance to expose correctly. Otherwise I think you need to get good at post processing. I personally prefer to do as much as I can in the camera at the time of capture.
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