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Offline ARPhot

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2013, 08:12:51 AM »
Point and Shoot cameras are often set to artificially enhance colour, just so they look good in the store.

This was my thought as well. The in-camera processing of JPEGs can be deceiving when you're used to that type of "picture taking" and then move up to a DSLR and it requires you to think along with it. I'm still learning the curve myself.

Skippy, your last post on this thread had me wondering if he shot in RAW would there have been some difference in the ability to manipulate the image better?
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2013, 11:47:56 AM »
Some really good info.

here is that pic untouched by the way.

Thanks for all your comments/suggestions. :)

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2013, 11:51:22 AM »
Point and Shoot cameras are often set to artificially enhance colour, just so they look good in the store.

This was my thought as well. The in-camera processing of JPEGs can be deceiving when you're used to that type of "picture taking" and then move up to a DSLR and it requires you to think along with it. I'm still learning the curve myself.

Skippy, your last post on this thread had me wondering if he shot in RAW would there have been some difference in the ability to manipulate the image better?

I will jump in on this. Yes, RAW has all the data collected at time of the exposure. So you have the ability to manipulate any and all of that data.
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2013, 02:19:03 PM »
I don't want to head off where this conversation has gone but I do want to chime in the the metering selection.

I used to be 100% in the corner of spot metering all the time. Even with landscape I would spot meter a few crucial spots then come to an average but then it dawned on me, (actually I paid attention to what lots of accomplished photographers were doing), anyway it came to me that evaluative metering was doing exactly what I was trying to do myself. Now what I am telling you is that it took me a long time to embrace that the meter in my camera does a pretty damn good job with landscapes.


I went down same path as you Skippy!  I've come around to accepting, that most of the time evaluative metering is going to do a great job on a landscape.  I think the nature of man (I very much mean "man" vs "woman" in this case ;)) is to want to exert control, but surrendering to the brilliant little computer in the camera has worked just fine for me.  In this particular case it may not have worked due to the dominance of the white clouds in the scene.

Great point on the camera's limits with dynamic range too!

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2013, 02:56:51 PM »
Point and Shoot cameras are often set to artificially enhance colour, just so they look good in the store.
Skippy, your last post on this thread had me wondering if he shot in RAW would there have been some difference in the ability to manipulate the image better?
There is absolutely no doubt in my head that there would be greater ability to manipulate/enhance the photo if shot and processed in RAW.
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2013, 03:11:05 PM »
I'm just going to have to update my computer/software and be able to run RAW files at some point.

I've been shooting them at Medium with the smooth half circle.



How much of it is the lens? Does it make 'that' much of a difference?

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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2013, 03:32:47 PM »
I'm just going to have to update my computer/software and be able to run RAW files at some point.

I've been shooting them at Medium with the smooth half circle.

How much of it is the lens? Does it make 'that' much of a difference?

It is like getting a hair cut.  The barber can always "take it off" but they cannot "put it back."  Therefore, better to have more info than you need, meaning, LARGE jpeg file than medium or small.  RAW files are even BIGGER, but, you can do so much more with RAW than you can with LARGE jpeg than you can with MEDIUM jpeg.

Some might say that unless you are going to print some enlargements, you don't need big files.  But, what if you catch the "perfect storm cloud" the one that makes your jaw drop and say "Wow!"  and you wanted a large print to hang on the wall.  I still say shoot LARGE for Jpeg if you cannot shoot RAW and you really really really need to shoot RAW.  It is so much fun to be able to "save" some not so great exposures and make them look really good.

Lens do make a difference.  I ONLY have the EF-S 18-135mm "kit" lens and it will take some AMAZING pictures.  Trust me, I WANT some other lens, but the lens that I have, well, it dose a really good job.  (I also really LIKE doing the "developing" on the computer.)
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2013, 04:45:02 PM »
I understand that file size thing for sure. 

I used to work at a photo lab and people would try to get 11x14s of pictures that didn't even look good at 4x6. You need more than 1MP lady! :)

I used to do the color balancing/brightness adjustment for the photolab. But that was on a machine dedicated for 35mm negative film format! haha

I've been doing some of it on photshop, but I guess what I really didn't take notice is a lot of the great shots I see are actually having some post editing done..


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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2013, 08:30:23 PM »
Mike - I am not going to say that a great photo does not ever come right out of the camera because they sometimes do. Having said that, I do not know of one single professional photographer that does not optimize his photos in some sort of post picture taking way. For me it is mostly LightRoom but that isn't the only option out there. Trust me when I tell you that when you see how much better you can make your photos by "optimizing" them, you will never go back to not "optimizing" them.
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Re: What am I doing wrong?
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2013, 05:26:15 PM »
I do have lightroom. I've been trying to learn it but man it's just hard. :)

I have CS2 but that is outdated I am sure...   little better in that..