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Offline armychris

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Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« on: November 20, 2013, 03:22:30 PM »
They have just released it to people that don't have the previous version. You have to do it before dec 2. I have been contemplating it for a while now.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 05:00:38 PM »
I hate the idea of going to a monthly payment but this almost seems like a no brainer to me.

https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom?trackingid=KJCTU
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013, 05:05:20 PM »
I hate the idea of going to a monthly payment but this almost seems like a no brainer to me.

https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom?trackingid=KJCTU

I did to but I actually done it and have no regrets about it.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 11:31:25 PM »
I hate the idea of going to a monthly payment but this almost seems like a no brainer to me.

https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom?trackingid=KJCTU
I hate the idea of a monthly payment combined with the fact that as soon as you cancel it you have nothing to show for all of the money you have given them....
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2013, 12:47:04 AM »
I hate the idea of a monthly payment combined with the fact that as soon as you cancel it you have nothing to show for all of the money you have given them....

I had those same thoughts for a while, but then I thought about it like this:
As long as you actually export your work when you are done as a final piece, then you do have something to show for it. Photoshop and lightroom are tools to help you produce an end product. If you buy a saw to help you build furniture, as long as you actually keep the furniture, you still have something to show for the money you spent on the saw when it eventually breaks. Same concept here. Save your final images and you have your product even if you don't have your tool in the future.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2013, 01:36:25 AM »
I hate the idea of a monthly payment combined with the fact that as soon as you cancel it you have nothing to show for all of the money you have given them....

I had those same thoughts for a while, but then I thought about it like this:
As long as you actually export your work when you are done as a final piece, then you do have something to show for it. Photoshop and lightroom are tools to help you produce an end product. If you buy a saw to help you build furniture, as long as you actually keep the furniture, you still have something to show for the money you spent on the saw when it eventually breaks. Same concept here. Save your final images and you have your product even if you don't have your tool in the future.
True, but this would be the same as renting said saw to make furniture and then after you get out of the furniture-making trade/hobby you stop paying for said saw because it would no longer be worth your while. Then though, if you get the sudden urge to build a table, you wont be able to because even thought you sunk hundreds, if not thousands into paying for the saw, you still have no saw...


Don't get me wrong, I can easily see the good side to this, the down side just bothers me immensely...
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2013, 06:21:51 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I can easily see the good side to this, the down side just bothers me immensely...

I agree. 
Basically, you are renting the software with this new setup.  That annoys the hell out of me.  Right now, I am enjoying taking photos and playing around with them but there are times (it has happened before) that I could go months before wanting to get back to "editing" photos. It might happen again.  You can't just jump in and out of this kind of setup, whereas if I own the software, it will be there when I am damn good and ready to use it again.  Granted, it won't be the "most recent" version but that's definitely not a deal breaker for me.   It is different for those who are trying to make money at this; I understand how it would benefit them.  It's just a freaking hobby to me and I don't want to commit to paying monthly for something I should be able to buy once and be done with it, and use when I want..no matter how sporadically.

Also not discussed: What format is this saved in? When it is saved in a .psd format do we know if an older version of Photoshop will open the new file?  (Think versions of Word: old files can be opened by new versions of Word but not necessarily the other way around, depending on formatting)   If a person saves a bunch of files this and next year and then stop "renting" this software, will they be able to go back and open the new files with their old CS3 or CS4?   New features utilized on the new work may not be readable by the old versions.
 I haven't seen that addressed yet.
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2013, 06:26:35 AM »
That final point you make is a really good one D. I haven't seen anything about that either...
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2013, 09:09:45 AM »
I also don't like the idea of not owning the software (do they make a free viewer like Microsoft do?) but from the company's perspective, you never owned the software anyway - just a licence to use it on one computer. You buy (sic) the software thinking it's a tool for life, but get suckered in to upgrading the product regularly. Companies need a regular income, not a one-off payment. I wish I had time and energy to write an essay on this, but I don't (and no one would have the time to read it anyway) so here are the two main points that I would have worked in to it:

1. Small amounts of money, if they're automatic/repetitive and spent without thinking, add up. The key to being rich is to eliminate such monthly drains on your finances.

2. I hate the control that software writers have over users, in terms of needing an Internet connection to authenticate, needing permission to run, having the ability to terminate service. I choose open-source software over all else.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2013, 04:15:38 PM »
I feel like I need to be more of a Photoshop user to justify this. I mean 90% of what I do I can do in LR. 9% of the other stuff I can do in Elements. I rarely open Photoshop. Now I will admit that a big part of that is the fact that I am not very proficient at PS but still I have learned to live without it for the most part.

Also, I am not faulting Adobe for trying to figure out a way to stop people from Pirating their software. I am sure that Photoshop has got to be one of the most pirated pieces of software out there. I think a better approach for them would be to figure out how to sell the product for something like 179.00 or something like that.

I am a photographer for crying out loud and I will tell you that I do not know a lot of people that have a legit copy of CS anything on their machine. Having said that, I know an awful lot of people that use CS whatever.

I think the 9.99 deal is Adobes way to get all those people to go to a legitimate platform.
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2013, 04:22:53 PM »
I feel like I need to be more of a Photoshop user to justify this. I mean 90% of what I do I can do in LR. 9% of the other stuff I can do in Elements. I rarely open Photoshop. Now I will admit that a big part of that is the fact that I am not very proficient at PS but still I have learned to live without it for the most part.

Also, I am not faulting Adobe for trying to figure out a way to stop people from Pirating their software. I am sure that Photoshop has got to be one of the most pirated pieces of software out there. I think a better approach for them would be to figure out how to sell the product for something like 179.00 or something like that.

I am a photographer for crying out loud and I will tell you that I do not know a lot of people that have a legit copy of CS anything on their machine. Having said that, I know an awful lot of people that use CS whatever.

I think the 9.99 deal is Adobes way to get all those people to go to a legitimate platform.

I like your idea about making the prices a lot more reasonable, and therefore attainable, for more people.  I believe that would work. 
I'm still not a fan of Rent-a-Software business models.

I actually bought my CS5 (with more than one glare from my wife) and I am glad I did but I won't be upgrading unless they make it a LOT more reasonable.  It's just a hobby for me forcryinoutloud. If it were a tax deduction, I might reconsider.
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2013, 05:40:09 PM »
One reason that the "owning the software" model kind of stinks is that they legally have to wait 18 months to update features of the software. I don't remember the exact reason for it, but that kind of sucks if they come out with something awesome but can't actually use it. Now, you can.

Doodle, you say this is just a hobby for you, and I get that part of it. But we are talking about $10 a month. What kind of hobby doesn't cost more than that every month? Obviously there are other prices that go into this hobby, but $10 isn't some outrageous price.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2013, 05:54:07 PM »
One reason that the "owning the software" model kind of stinks is that they legally have to wait 18 months to update features of the software. I don't remember the exact reason for it, but that kind of sucks if they come out with something awesome but can't actually use it. Now, you can.

Doodle, you say this is just a hobby for you, and I get that part of it. But we are talking about $10 a month. What kind of hobby doesn't cost more than that every month? Obviously there are other prices that go into this hobby, but $10 isn't some outrageous price.

That's kinda how I see it to. I got it cause it's a total of $10.50 here in New Mexico. If I bought photoshop that's a lot of money out of pocket. I wanna get better at photoshop cause I see what can be done and it's amazing. Plus I wanna go pro so I think it's a good buy for me.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2013, 08:44:16 PM »
One reason that the "owning the software" model kind of stinks is that they legally have to wait 18 months to update features of the software. I don't remember the exact reason for it, but that kind of sucks if they come out with something awesome but can't actually use it. Now, you can.

Doodle, you say this is just a hobby for you, and I get that part of it. But we are talking about $10 a month. What kind of hobby doesn't cost more than that every month? Obviously there are other prices that go into this hobby, but $10 isn't some outrageous price.
It's the ownership thing Doug.  I own my software and will have it for as long as I use it. Multiple years if I'm lucky.  I don't care about having the latest and greatest features so updating doesn't really thrill me.  (bug updates notwithstanding)
Again, if you get their newest software and use it this year but decide (maybe a person lost their job?) you don't want it anymore, will your OLD software open up the files?  (new usually opens older files but not necessarily vice versa)
And for me, the only cost I have associated with my hobby now is gas. That won't change. The latest software won't improve my gas mileage.   
Nope, I'm not seeing any advantage here personally.
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2013, 10:32:57 PM »
One reason that the "owning the software" model kind of stinks is that they legally have to wait 18 months to update features of the software. I don't remember the exact reason for it, but that kind of sucks if they come out with something awesome but can't actually use it. Now, you can.

Doodle, you say this is just a hobby for you, and I get that part of it. But we are talking about $10 a month. What kind of hobby doesn't cost more than that every month? Obviously there are other prices that go into this hobby, but $10 isn't some outrageous price.
It's the ownership thing Doug.  I own my software and will have it for as long as I use it. Multiple years if I'm lucky.  I don't care about having the latest and greatest features so updating doesn't really thrill me.  (bug updates notwithstanding)
Again, if you get their newest software and use it this year but decide (maybe a person lost their job?) you don't want it anymore, will your OLD software open up the files?  (new usually opens older files but not necessarily vice versa)
And for me, the only cost I have associated with my hobby now is gas. That won't change. The latest software won't improve my gas mileage.   
Nope, I'm not seeing any advantage here personally.

You probably don't own any of your software, you simply have a license to use it. But I get your point.

As for the files thing, that part I don't get. Keep your raw files. Export your edits that you make as final products and you have all of the files you need. You have the originals. You have the edited versions of what you created.