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Offline AndyCivil

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2013, 12:44:35 AM »
You probably don't own any of your software, you simply have a license to use it. But I get your point.
Ownership is a funny thing. The legal folks will have one definition, but to a user it means "can anyone practically stop me from using this tool". If they can't, that's close enough to ownership as makes no difference.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2013, 01:54:36 AM »
You probably don't own any of your software, you simply have a license to use it. But I get your point.
Ownership is a funny thing. The legal folks will have one definition, but to a user it means "can anyone practically stop me from using this tool". If they can't, that's close enough to ownership as makes no difference.
Yep - that's my definition - they physically can't stop me from using a 'bought' piece of software (as opposed to rented) so it is mine...

My other issue is that say you lose your job in a terrible job market and you start going through some very tough financial times (it's happened once or twice to me, both voluntarily and involuntarily) - $10 a month is then a bit of money you can use on other things...

If you rent the software, you therefore might no longer be able to keep up that part of your hobby when you are an unemployed bum, but if you have previously bought the software, you will be able to continue using it through thick and thin...
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2013, 07:26:57 AM »
One reason that the "owning the software" model kind of stinks is that they legally have to wait 18 months to update features of the software. I don't remember the exact reason for it, but that kind of sucks if they come out with something awesome but can't actually use it. Now, you can.

Doodle, you say this is just a hobby for you, and I get that part of it. But we are talking about $10 a month. What kind of hobby doesn't cost more than that every month? Obviously there are other prices that go into this hobby, but $10 isn't some outrageous price.
It's the ownership thing Doug.  I own my software and will have it for as long as I use it. Multiple years if I'm lucky.  I don't care about having the latest and greatest features so updating doesn't really thrill me.  (bug updates notwithstanding)
Again, if you get their newest software and use it this year but decide (maybe a person lost their job?) you don't want it anymore, will your OLD software open up the files?  (new usually opens older files but not necessarily vice versa)
And for me, the only cost I have associated with my hobby now is gas. That won't change. The latest software won't improve my gas mileage.   
Nope, I'm not seeing any advantage here personally.

You probably don't own any of your software, you simply have a license to use it. But I get your point.

As for the files thing, that part I don't get. Keep your raw files. Export your edits that you make as final products and you have all of the files you need. You have the originals. You have the edited versions of what you created.

You never saved a .psd file Doug?  I have a lot of them. Not all of my work is strictly photography  (I have a hand full of digital artwork I have done on a Wacom Tablet).  I damn well want to be able to open a .psd file later to reword a piece if I want to.  I've done it before when an idea came to mind to try.  It will happen again, I'm sure.  Either way, if the psd file is written by the new software, there (at this point in time) is no guarantee that older software will be able to read all of it or not.
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2013, 09:54:23 AM »
As a side note following on from D's issue (which I fully agree with - compatibility of newer files on older versions can be a serious issues) what is the difference between .psd's and tiffs? Except of course that PSDs are Adobes proprietary format and TIFFs are an open format...
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2013, 10:02:14 AM »

As for the files thing, that part I don't get. Keep your raw files. Export your edits that you make as final products and you have all of the files you need. You have the originals. You have the edited versions of what you created.

You never saved a .psd file Doug?  I have a lot of them. Not all of my work is strictly photography  (I have a hand full of digital artwork I have done on a Wacom Tablet).  I damn well want to be able to open a .psd file later to reword a piece if I want to.  I've done it before when an idea came to mind to try.  It will happen again, I'm sure.  Either way, if the psd file is written by the new software, there (at this point in time) is no guarantee that older software will be able to read all of it or not.

I guess it is just a risk we are willing to take. Heck, you are taking it right now. What if your hard drive dies with PS installed on it and you lose your DVD with the program on it? What if you get a new computer and can't find your DVD?

I don't know, I just can't get the whole "don't rent this tool that will make all of my work better because there could be a chance one day long in the future where I won't be able to open up 10 year old files that I probably haven't thought about in years" thing.


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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2013, 10:27:52 AM »

As for the files thing, that part I don't get. Keep your raw files. Export your edits that you make as final products and you have all of the files you need. You have the originals. You have the edited versions of what you created.

You never saved a .psd file Doug?  I have a lot of them. Not all of my work is strictly photography  (I have a hand full of digital artwork I have done on a Wacom Tablet).  I damn well want to be able to open a .psd file later to reword a piece if I want to.  I've done it before when an idea came to mind to try.  It will happen again, I'm sure.  Either way, if the psd file is written by the new software, there (at this point in time) is no guarantee that older software will be able to read all of it or not.

I guess it is just a risk we are willing to take. Heck, you are taking it right now. What if your hard drive dies with PS installed on it and you lose your DVD with the program on it? What if you get a new computer and can't find your DVD?

I don't know, I just can't get the whole "don't rent this tool that will make all of my work better because there could be a chance one day long in the future where I won't be able to open up 10 year old files that I probably haven't thought about in years" thing.
We'll have to agree to disagree then bud. 
Maybe someday you'll do an art project (or a photo manipulation).  I DO have old psd's of some photo manipulations I did. 
If you ever get the urge to redo it, you just have to hope your software will be able to decode it, if you went the new-back-to-old route.  Who knows?  But between (potential) compatibility issues and continuing payments each month for a small upgrade (CS5 to 6 wasn't huge...), I just can't see it being worth my while.
We could what-if it do death but it wouldn't change the whole rental thing for me.  I'm glad you like the option.
I don't.
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2013, 11:12:44 AM »
We'll have to agree to disagree then bud. 
Maybe someday you'll do an art project (or a photo manipulation).  I DO have old psd's of some photo manipulations I did. 
If you ever get the urge to redo it, you just have to hope your software will be able to decode it, if you went the new-back-to-old route.  Who knows?  But between (potential) compatibility issues and continuing payments each month for a small upgrade (CS5 to 6 wasn't huge...), I just can't see it being worth my while.
We could what-if it do death but it wouldn't change the whole rental thing for me.  I'm glad you like the option.
I don't.

I'm with D here - I can see why people may like it, and I am glad that they do, but I personally don't.
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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2013, 02:03:45 PM »
Apparently the GIMP can open .psd files, so no problem there.

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2013, 04:25:52 PM »
Apparently the GIMP can open .psd files, so no problem there.

But what if GIMP doesn't exist anymore?

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Re: Adobe and Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2013, 06:16:30 PM »
Apparently the GIMP can open .psd files, so no problem there.

But what if GIMP doesn't exist anymore?

Ha ha - funny guy  ;D