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Offline bgray

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HDR Processing Video
« on: January 08, 2012, 07:49:04 AM »
In a previous thread, I had discussed the possibility of creating a screen recording of how I process HDR photos using Photomatix, Photoshop Elements, and a couple of Plug-ins.  I have it done.

A couple of notes...

1.  I'm not claiming to be an authority on this.  There's many ways to do this.  I'm just showing mine, along with a few methods that I learned from Trey Ratcliff's course. 

2.  In this photo,  there were some changes that I made in Photoshop that were subtle.  This photo didn't require lots and lots of touch ups.  And some of the changes that I did were not really necessary, but I still did them for demonstration purposes.  Maybe in the future, I'll do this again with a photo that really had a lot of problems.  I also didn't have any ghosting issues with this photo.  Maybe I can demonstrate how to get rid of ghosting in the future as well.

So here's the video....

HDR Processing


And here's the final photo...


And here are the RAW's....

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38761754/HDR%20Raws/Church%20%2B2.CR2
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38761754/HDR%20Raws/Church%20%2B1.CR2
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38761754/HDR%20Raws/Church%200.CR2
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38761754/HDR%20Raws/Church%20-1.CR2
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38761754/HDR%20Raws/Church%20-2.CR2

If you want to go ahead and try the exact methods with my photo, have at it.  Post your results here.  My interpretation isn't "right"....I'd love to see other interpretations!

Enjoy!


« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 08:27:44 AM by bgray »
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2012, 01:11:31 PM »
First of all, Brian, many thanks for taking the time and effort to create and upload the video. I am sure it will help a lot of people on the forum who either want to know how to produce HDR and even more who will be able to use it in order to improve their images by layer masking etc. Awesome work!

As you probably know, I have moved away from using Photomatix and now use Lightroom 3 with the Enfuse plugin. A couple of points about this may interest you and others who use LR3...

Whereas you exported the different exposure to Photomatix as JPEG files from Aperture, LR3 will export directly to Enfuse  (or Photomatix if you have that as well) as TIFF files which, although large, do contain more image information than JPEG files, I believe? Not sure how much difference it makes compared to your results...

I had a go at the images you posted and used Enfuse to merge the exposures as shown below. I have never changed any of the Enfuse configurations as I find them to be great 'as they are'. I kept consistently getting some strange results in Photomatix and some may prefer the 'Enfuse' look over the 'Photomatix' look  ;)

Once Enfuse has merged the images it is automatically re-imported into LR3 where I will generally do a little bit of work on lens correction, the clarity, contrast, and vibrance of the HDR (I tend to also do simple spot-healing if needed). Anything more radical I will use layers for in CS5 using largely the same techniques as you so clearly enunciated.  :)

My resulting shot is below.

I hope you don't mind this reply to your post - I am in no way trying to hijack your excellent post or detract from the great effort that you have put in. I am just pointing out another couple of options for those who do not use Aperture or PSE...

Once again, terrific work - thank you!!




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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2012, 02:37:57 PM »
Hi Snapper.

Thanks for the information.  And I don't mind anything about your post, no problems.

It's all about learning, and my method is not "right".  I really appreciate learning about other methods.

I don't have Lightroom or Enfuse, and I probably won't make the investment, but I appreciate the information.

The biggest item that I wanted to get across this video is how to layer mask in PSE.  Once people master this, you can really manipulate the photos in wonderful ways.

And your photo looks great - nice job.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 02:39:36 PM by bgray »
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 03:48:28 PM »
Thanks Brian great demo.

I've done a few HDR's but never really bothered with the layering as I've never read any books or watched videos on how to before as I stupidly think I should just be able to do it intuitively, and you guessed it... I usually make a mess of it and get annoyed and quit.

I got some great tips there and am really glad you did the note over the screen near the end about the noise ;)

PS Great screen recording program too.
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2012, 03:59:19 PM »
Thanks guys!
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2012, 06:44:08 PM »
I have been busy with playoff football today but now that I am here and see this, it is on my list of must sees. I will try to check it out later tonight or tomorrow morning. I think this might be right up my alley as I think that I really need to explore the layer masks.

I have a few shots in my head that I am soon going to try to produce that I know that I am going to need to do layers just to get rid of people that are going to show up in my shots. I really hope that layering is going to do my trick so I can't wait to check this video out.

So I am giving you a big thank you well in advance of me even seeing it as you are going to cover an area that I want to figure out.
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 10:38:23 PM »
Okay, I finally had the time to sit still and check out the workflow. I like it. You have given me some inspiration to open up my PSE and use some layer masking.

If you guys have not checked this out but are indeed interested in a nice presentation of Brian's HDR workflow, then I think you need to pour a glass of your favorite beverage and give it a watch. I for one walked away with a few hints.
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 05:58:24 AM »
Thanks!
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 01:19:11 PM »
Hey Brian- thanks for putting in the effort on this. Just got some time on a good internet connection. You have a great tutorial style. Right to the point, boiled down to the important essentials. I must have overlooked NOT processing my RAW images directly with Photomatix- besides the time and processing power involved in RAWs, looks like I may be able get some better results too. I'm going to have to give it another go.

This generous sharing of knowledge is totally in with the culture of Trey Ratcliff. Again- thanks for taking the time to do this. It can reduce many hours of trial and error for a beginner.

Now I just need some PSE and Topaz (there are obviously very good reasons the top HDR guys are using all of these tools exclusively)!

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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 08:52:08 PM »
This is great.. I enjoy Trey's work too.

I really appreciate this workflow walkthrough!!!

This was my output... I dont care for what I did with the left bush.  It's far too saturated, I should've used the burn tool to darken it a bit before saving, but I tried to go through this as fast as I could while watching the end of the playoff game today.
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 06:47:41 AM »
Hey Brian- thanks for putting in the effort on this. Just got some time on a good internet connection. You have a great tutorial style. Right to the point, boiled down to the important essentials. I must have overlooked NOT processing my RAW images directly with Photomatix- besides the time and processing power involved in RAWs, looks like I may be able get some better results too. I'm going to have to give it another go.

This generous sharing of knowledge is totally in with the culture of Trey Ratcliff. Again- thanks for taking the time to do this. It can reduce many hours of trial and error for a beginner.

Now I just need some PSE and Topaz (there are obviously very good reasons the top HDR guys are using all of these tools exclusively)!

Many thanks!  Very nice comments!  And if you do some homework, you can probably find PSE for free somewhere.  A friend of mine had a copy for free with the purchase of a camera, or some other piece of hardware or software...can't remember.  If not, $100 really is a very small price when you consider to what it will do for your photos.

This is great.. I enjoy Trey's work too.

I really appreciate this workflow walkthrough!!!

This was my output... I dont care for what I did with the left bush.  It's far too saturated, I should've used the burn tool to darken it a bit before saving, but I tried to go through this as fast as I could while watching the end of the playoff game today.


Also many thanks....however, I'm not seeing your image, but would love to...is it hosted correctly?

And really - this image didn't present any real big challenges, but it was good to demonstrate layer masking which is probably the most important skill to possess when it comes to taking what Photomatix got right, and keep or accentuate it, and take what Photomatix got wrong, and fix it.  Without these skills, your work straight out of Photomatix will just fall into the typical Photomatix pitfalls - way too stormy clouds, halo, dirty whites, selective oversaturation, etc....  By applying good layer masks where appropriate, you have so much control to do whatever you feel looks best.

Maybe I'll take some time in future and do another one that shows some more advanced stuff, such as getting rid of ghosting.  Like I said in the video, ghosting can be taken care of in Photomatix, but it's kind of rudimentary compared to Photoshop, which is a much more precise way to take care of this issue.

Thanks!
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 09:03:31 AM »
I tried to adjust the permissions on Picasas end so it's public.

Does it show up for you now?

P.S. I also tagged you in the post on Google+ and referenced this forum, hope that is ok.  I really like how easy it is to interact with people on G+ compared to other social networks.
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 12:34:07 PM »
I tried to adjust the permissions on Picasas end so it's public.

Does it show up for you now?

P.S. I also tagged you in the post on Google+ and referenced this forum, hope that is ok.  I really like how easy it is to interact with people on G+ compared to other social networks.

Yep, the photo is there...looks great!  Yours has a "lighter" mood to it.  I like it a lot.

No problem tagging in Google+.

Here's my profile, post yours, I'll give you a follow as well...

https://plus.google.com/114974993988509334124/posts
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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 12:39:49 PM »
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Yep, the photo is there...looks great!  Yours has a "lighter" mood to it.  I like it a lot.

No problem tagging in Google+.

Here's my profile, post yours, I'll give you a follow as well...

https://plus.google.com/114974993988509334124/posts

Cool and thanks! I need to get out and take some more HDR pictures, I love how they turn out when you take a little time to process them.

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Re: HDR Processing Video
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 11:01:55 AM »
Enlightening! Thanks a bunch bgray, for posting this video. I have done a few shots (in CS5) using HDR that were ok but after seeing your video I can see why: I was only using 3 exposures. AND...I never tried to selectively remove parts of the originals to put back into the finished product. Great idea.
So, now that I have seen this video, I need to now go search out Magic Lantern and learn about it as I really want to use 5 shots for the very reasons you pointed out.
Thanks again.  I SO look forward to trying this method out.
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