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Offline Andrew

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Aperture and zoom
« on: February 01, 2012, 11:17:36 PM »
Let me get this straight... :P

the kit lens 18-55 f3.5 - 5.6 if i zoom...let's say to 35mm my aperture can not be 3.5 right?
i don't know if you get the question....

Offline AndyCivil

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Re: Aperture and zoom
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 11:40:57 PM »
One day, I'm going to do a Youtube video explaining this... the thing is, an F-Stop isn't a fixed size, it depends on the zoom. The kit lens that you have has a maximum aperture size in millimetres. When you zoom in, you're getting less light, so it counts as a higher "F-stop". We say it's a smaller aperture... but it isn't really, it's the same physical size, but because you're getting less light, it LOOKS to the camera like a smaller aperture, so the F-Stop number is bigger.

Was that as clear as mud? Darn confusing, isn't it. Let me try and say the same thing another way...

Imagine you're looking at four lamps on the other side of the room. You zoom in, so now you only see one lamp. You have a quarter of the light, right? The lens should make the aperture larger, to compensate, but with the kit lens, at some point it can't go bigger, it's maxed out. At this point, although the aperture stays at the maximum size in millimetres, it will tell you that the F-Stop is higher, because of the less light you're getting.

F-Stop is a mathematical trick, you see, for the artist in the photographer. It's designed so that a certain F-number means something artistically to the feel of the photo, independent of the zoom. If we started talking about aperture in millimetres, we'd have to ask what the zoom was, to understand how the photo was going to come out.
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Offline Andrew

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Re: Aperture and zoom
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 12:14:26 AM »
Thank you again AndyCivil i think i get it...physically the aperture is the same but the lens recive less light...

that is only for a kit ,cheap, lens..other good ones have always a fixed F/stop?

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Re: Aperture and zoom
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 08:59:08 AM »
Thank you again AndyCivil i think i get it...physically the aperture is the same but the lens recive less light...

that is only for a kit ,cheap, lens..other good ones have always a fixed F/stop?
Andrew - that is not only kit lens. Plenty of other lens of higher quality do the same thing. One that comes to my mind that I have used plenty of times is the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM. You notice that that is an L lens and even it does not have a constant aperture.
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Offline AndyCivil

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Re: Aperture and zoom
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 09:33:07 AM »
I don't even understand why any zoom lens would have a constant aperture. I mean, if you have a zoom lens that's capable of a certain F-Stop when zoomed in, why would you artificially reduce the aperture (physical dimensions) when zoomed out, to keep the same aperture (F-Stop). The lens would be worth more if you can at least get a larger aperture (smaller F-number) when zoomed out.

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Re: Aperture and zoom
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 12:43:05 PM »
Andy....

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM Standard Zoom Lens ... ;D

I don't understand your comment....

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Re: Aperture and zoom
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 01:21:55 PM »
What Andy means is, if you can get f/2.8 @ 70mm, then why not f/1.2 @ 24mm? Why limit the open end to f/2.8?

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Re: Aperture and zoom
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 03:01:54 PM »
What Andy means is, if you can get f/2.8 @ 70mm, then why not f/1.2 @ 24mm? Why limit the open end to f/2.8?
I get this. I have got to think that if it was possible to get the 24mm side to open up wider then they would. A ton of work must go into the constant aperture lens or they are just tricking us into paying a boat load for the constant 2.8 that could be 1.2 on the wide side. ;)
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square root of 2:   f/1, f/1.4, f/2, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16, f/22, f/32, f/45, f/64, f/90, f/128

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