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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2012, 01:52:04 PM »
Quote from: rpavich on February 01, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
camerafreak...

I didn't intend that you'd use those exact settings...it was just an example.

Do this:

go outside and pick a subject; let's say it's a flower in your garden. It's not moving so you don't have any reason to use a high shutter speed to freeze action like you would at a motorcycle race (for example).

Your next question to ask yourself is this: is this a "single isolated subject" kind of a photo or is it a multi subject photo?

That will decide your aperture...large apertures isolate, small apertures give lots of focus depth.


So you decide to isolate one flower; pic an aperture below f/5.6.

Now set it to ISO 100 if it's sunny.


Push the shutter half way to see the exposure meter...what's it doing?

Set your shutter speed up or down to center the needle...then take the pic (assuming the shutter speed was reasonable to hand hold)


That's what you need to do....


do that all day today....and as it gets darker....watch what happens...the settings will change...when it's later on in the after noon with less light....you'll have to up the ISO to 200 or 400 or even 800.

then go through the rest of the whole thing the same way as I just described.

Keep your aperture on lower than f5.6 and see what the shutter does now. If it's too slow to make a good exposure at 200...jack the ISO to 400 and check again....If it's still to slow at 400...then jack to 800 and check again.


that's what I meant..

Thanks for your patience!  So before this last post of yours, I went outside and you had mentioned the meter, so I set decided to watch it ( I have my 18-55, I think I should be using my nifty fifty).

I had the camera on M, set my ISO at 400 and SS of 250, pushed the button half way and it showed the meter was not in the middle so I thought I'd use the dial until I get it in the middle and ended up with a SS of  750. Haven't looked at the picture yet though. Please know that I am copying and pasting tips I get here into WORD documents to have on hand.  :  )

I am going to go outside and try my 50 mm. that way I can go down below F5.6.
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2012, 02:15:29 PM »
Good....

Remember...the REASON that you change the shutter speed or the aperture is that you have one or two goals in mind....

To freeze action..you need a high shutter speed.


To isolate your subject in a shallow depth of field, you need a low aperture number.


THAT'S why you'd change one or the other.



So when you said you'd made the shutter speed 1/750....I'm assuming you did that to "freeze action"...?
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2012, 02:16:54 PM »
You know....if you want to take the camera outside talk via cell...I'll walk you through it....it's easier when someone is right there with you....

PM me if you'd like to do that.
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2012, 02:34:25 PM »
Quote from: rpavich on February 01, 2012, 02:15:29 PM
Good....

Remember...the REASON that you change the shutter speed or the aperture is that you have one or two goals in mind....

To freeze action..you need a high shutter speed.


To isolate your subject in a shallow depth of field, you need a low aperture number.


THAT'S why you'd change one or the other.



So when you said you'd made the shutter speed 1/750....I'm assuming you did that to "freeze action"...?

I had  started with ISO 800 and SS 250, but when I pushed the button half way down, it showed the meter arrow wasn't in the middle and I thought  (but wasn't sure) it needed to be in the middle most times? I understand it might not always.

So I ended up with a 750 SS lol.

I took a new one with my nifty fifty. Will post later. Right now, I won't call you, I appreciate you offering! I want to do some trial and error....but I think it's important to ask you (I keep forgetting to) what should the other settings for M be?

What should: Picture style, auto Lighting optimizer, Metering mode,  Drive mode,  AF mode be?

I have my quality on "Medium" with a half round circle I think it is. I have my Exposure comp. in the middle.

Yes, I understand that each situation is different, but is there a normal setting I should start out with?

I've fiddled with them sooo much I don't know what a normal starting out setting for them should be.
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2012, 06:12:23 PM »
Here is a picture I took outside with my 50mm.

Settings 
f/5.6
1/750
800 ISO

Crap I can't think of what setting M or maybe TV?

Feedback please. Be honest. :)

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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2012, 06:18:26 PM »
Camerafreak...

that's a nice image. For your information, here are the details of that shot:

Focal Length: 50.0mm
Aperture: f/5.6
Exposure Time:(1/750)
ISO equiv: 800
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Software: Paint Shop Pro Photo 12.00


Good going!! Your first manual shot and it's a keeper!
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2012, 06:34:47 PM »
Quote from: rpavich on February 01, 2012, 06:18:26 PM
Camerafreak...

that's a nice image. For your information, here are the details of that shot:

Focal Length: 50.0mm
Aperture: f/5.6
Exposure Time:(1/750)
ISO equiv: 800
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Software: Paint Shop Pro Photo 12.00


Good going!! Your first manual shot and it's a keeper!

Shall I frame it? lol

Right, I forgot it showed the mode used (whatever you call it). Thanks much. 

So thoughts? Suggestions on the picture?
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2012, 06:41:36 PM »
I thought the pic was fine.It was sharp and the white balance was good....no complaints  ;)
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2012, 06:46:01 PM »
Quote from: rpavich on February 01, 2012, 06:41:36 PM
I thought the pic was fine.It was sharp and the white balance was good....no complaints  ;)

OH SNAP! That is awesome! Thanks!
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2012, 12:29:13 PM »
Hi All,

Not sure if there is another forum here I should use to post the pictures I want feedback on?

So I didn't get time to take pictures last night, but took some around 10:30 am today of my Daycare kids. I took about 400 I think, mostly close ups of their hands coloring or playing. I tried many different settings to see what looked best and it will take time. The Exposure book will come today of course. :  )


I had all windows and  and doors, their blinds fully pushed open so plenty of light, but just wasn't happy with too many of them, I used my 50mm, my 18-55, messed with the ISO, F stop, and aperture. I forgot to turn the auto focus switch to off, and do actual Manual. That is my next step maybe? Or should I leave the switch on "auto" focus?

Anyway, am I correct in thinking the best pictures will be the ones that when I open the original, and zoom to 100%, they are crystal clear. If they aren't, how do you go about judging if they are still good pictures? I know that sounds dumb, but.....

It seems the auto focus is also messin things up, it focuses on one of the things i want it to, but that is it today.

Like I had a picture where one of my boys was coloring, and had his face down close to what he was coloring. Of course the camera focused more in on his hand and marker then his hand, marker and face. Again, auto focus?

Here is a picture that I like, and it doesn't fully bug me the hand and cow aren't in full focus, but still. I will be cropping it a bit, will that kill the quality? Details below the picture.

Feedback though appreciated.



PICTURE C


PICTURE C DETAILS
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2012, 12:41:05 PM »
Camerafreak...

Autofocus is ok...it's not inherently evil like the auto modes are :)

The ticket (in my mind) on the autofocus is this...change the autofocus pattern to just the one square in the middle...not all 9 targets. When you look through the viewfinder or LCD you'll see the 9 autofocus targets and if you don't tell the camera to use the middle one...it will choose which one it THINKS is best and in my mind...it never picks correctly.

the focus mode you want to be in is "quick focus" and only use the center point.

And on that hand and cow....that's' a VERY small depth of field...you must have been VERY close...having it on 1.8 f/stop also contributed to that.


Depth of field is a combination of distance to subject and f/stop and lens choice.

use the online depth of field calculator to see how your distance to subject affects how much focus you'll get.

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html


You used f/1.8 and I bet you were about 1 foot away....that means that the depth of field for a 50mm lens was 0.08 inches! Not even one tenth of one inch!

That's just a sliver of a razor blade... :)

If you'd have moved back about 5 feet....you'd have 3.5 inches of focus area.

If you'd have changed the aperture to f/2.8  at 10 feet away you'd have 6" of depth of field.

Check it out....it's a real eye opener.
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Re: Small Venue Rock Concert Help
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2012, 12:57:53 PM »
Quote from: rpavich on February 02, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
Camerafreak...

Autofocus is ok...it's not inherently evil like the auto modes are :)

The ticket (in my mind) on the autofocus is this...change the autofocus pattern to just the one square in the middle...not all 9 targets.

I will admit, I have not fully read up on the square or the 9 red lights.. :-[ But I will!

When you look through the viewfinder or LCD you'll see the 9 autofocus targets and if you don't tell the camera to use the middle one...it will choose which one it THINKS is best and in my mind...it never picks correctly.

the focus mode you want to be in is "quick focus" and only use the center point.

Where do I find quick focus?

And on that hand and cow....that's' a VERY small depth of field...you must have been VERY close...having it on 1.8 f/stop also contributed to that.


Depth of field is a combination of distance to subject and f/stop and lens choice.

use the online depth of field calculator to see how your distance to subject affects how much focus you'll get.

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html


Will try it out.

You used f/1.8 and I bet you were about 1 foot away....that means that the depth of field for a 50mm lens was 0.08 inches! Not even one tenth of one inch!

I think so, possibly not even. I think I used the 50mm and so I had to keep moving back a bit.

That's just a sliver of a razor blade... :)

If you'd have moved back about 5 feet....you'd have 3.5 inches of focus area.

If you'd have changed the aperture to f/2.8  at 10 feet away you'd have 6" of depth of field.

So, is it that if I would have done one of those you mentioned, I could just crop the picture when editing it and it would have been the same picture.....just clear? Is that why you are saying to be farther away?

Check it out....it's a real eye opener.


See above. :  )
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