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Offline AnthGateshead

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Flowing water
« on: February 10, 2012, 01:38:33 PM »
Hi everyone

Off out this weekend with my new tripod and looking to try and get a good water shot.  Going to try and get to a nice fast flowing river/water fall.  What is the best shutter speed and ISO for a shot like this?

http://yanikphotoschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dsc_4343.jpg

Cheers guys!

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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 01:47:15 PM »
have you any nd filter?
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 01:53:01 PM »
No unfortunately not got any filters   ???   Will I need one, or could I possibly get away with it? 

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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 01:54:34 PM »
ND filters are going to almost for sure be needed.

You are going to want to really shut down your aperture to where you slow your shutter into the seconds. I shoot shots like that anywhere from 3 to 15 seconds but I use ND filters for all of them as I don't like to shut down the aperture past about f16. You might very well need to though and if that is what it takes and you don't have an ND filter then by all means do it.
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 01:56:16 PM »
 
Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Canon EF 24-70mm f2.8L Lens at 27mm, Hoya ND x400 and Lee 0.9 Soft Grad ND Filters, ISO 50, 30 second @f22, Peter Hill
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 02:00:26 PM »
This shot was shot at f/16 and was a 3 second shutter. However, I was using a four stop ND filter. So that would convert to you opening up the kit lens all the way to f/29 but probably still only being able to get to about 1/4 seconds if you was under the same kind of lighting that I was. I was in a covered forest at about 10am without a ton of sun.

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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 02:01:26 PM »
there is lots of kinds of nd filters you can find so firstly you shuold think about your shooting time. you can see numbers near nd words like nd4 nd1000 theese numbers means how more the filters makes your shooting long. for an etc. if without filter your exposure time is 1/30 second with nd1000 filter 1/30x1000=30 seconds (I'm sorry about grammer mistakes  ;D )
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 04:04:19 PM »
Cheers guys!  This was really helpful!...looks like I will have to look at getting an ND filter then!  Any links or pointers?  I shall have a look on amazon  :P

I'll have to get them posted up once done.

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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 04:11:24 PM »
I like my Hoya filters as they are not too expensive but still pretty good.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoya-72mm-PRO-1-Digital-Filter/dp/B003YCHCCK/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1328915451&sr=1-4

If you want an all in one filter to have fun with then the variable ND's could be the way to go.
They are not going to win you awards or anything but are still pretty good.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LIGHTCRAFT-FADER-MKII-VARIABLE-FILTER/dp/B0050I1YLQ/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1328915285&sr=1-2-catcorr

Just make sure you get one for the widest lens you have and then just get step down rings for smaller lenses.

You may have an ND filter of sorts but not even know it. Polarizing filters are good for about 2 stops at maximum. If oyu have one of these then it may help with the water shots you are trying for.
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 05:37:07 PM »
I will be honest, and maybe I am the only one, but I am just not a fan of pictures like that. It doesn't look realistic at all.

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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 03:51:39 AM »
pleasures are different like colours :) also you are right. a photographer (Ara Güler) said: "modern photography is not an art i think. because people using photoshop and lots of other things. so this photograps are not the truth of life."
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 10:32:04 AM »
pleasures are different like colours :) also you are right. a photographer (Ara Güler) said: "modern photography is not an art i think. because people using photoshop and lots of other things. so this photograps are not the truth of life."
Boy did that guy open a can of worms.

Photoshop whether someone likes it or not is Art in and of itself. It would be one thing to say that you don't like heavily manipulated photo's to draw a line in the sand and suggest that putting your work through Photoshop means that you are destroying your art is just crazy talk. I maintain that there is not a real money making photographer out there that does not "fix" their shots after the fact.

And if you guys are talking about the first shot being fake then you are right. The scene would never really look that way to your eye but are you really saying that it is wrong to use your photographic vision to create something using some techniques? Mine is not fake looking. If you stood there and looked at that scene without rapidly blinking your eyes, (fast shutter), that is a pretty fair representation of what you would see. The smoothness of the water is a bit exaggerated but everywhere that you see the water smooth did indeed have smooth white water.   
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 11:30:45 AM »
I think this kind of creative photography enables you to capture the feel and emotion of the trip more than just taking a snap.
For me it is integral to photography and not cheating.
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Re: Flowing water
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 06:37:38 AM »
I'm going to second the Lightcraft variable ND filter suggestion and say that I didn't realize that an adapter ring was an option so I actually bought TWO because I have 52mm and 58mm lenses!

IF the OP happens to need the 52mm version I'd be glad to sell it cheaper than new...it's never been used.  ;)