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Offline Utopia

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Learning angles and composition
« on: April 24, 2012, 06:02:02 PM »
I feel like my images are getting pretty bland and too similar to each-other:

Head and shoulders portrait with bokeh background... meh - I've now taken a thousand of those and the people I take these of love them to death but I'm just so bored with that style.

I also just got the 10-22 and I still don't like the photos I'm turning out with it.

Where can I go (preferably free) to learn composition and how to use my lenses to their fullest potential?

Or is it a sort of trial and error thing?

I'd like to win the photo of the month competition at least once this lifetime...
T3i
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 06:15:02 PM »
Ok, here's something to try with the 10-22.  Close up.  You can't do macro, but you CAN do close up.  Everyone thinks you use the 10-22 for wide landscape shots.  But not the case.  It can be really fun too. 
Here's another thing that the 10-22 comes in handy with.  Its sort of a combination of close up and landscape all in one.  I'll see if I can explain it. 
Let's say you have a beautiful building.  You want to get a picture of said building.  But, the only view you can get of it has a really ugly parking lot in front of it.  But, on the other side of the parking lot is a really great looking flower bed.  Now, if you get down and low in front of the flower bed, you can see the building too, and the best part, is you don't see the parking lot!  Your wide angle lens allows this to happen with a great large depth of field!
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 06:17:58 PM »
Thanks - do you mind if I post some recent shots with it in this thread and you critique them?

Also, can you hand-hold an f/11 and above aperture with the 10-22 and still make it look good? For the life of me I can't get it to stay sharp while handholding. Do I have to have a tripod? I'd like to handhold all the time if I could...
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 06:24:40 PM »
Sure go ahead.  By the way, which 10-22 is it?  I have the Tamron.
I would say it depends on how much cropping you intend to do. 
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 07:08:43 PM »
I have the Canon :)

Pics to come in a moment.
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 07:24:42 PM »
OK here are some selects I've taken throughout the past year.

Some of these you may have seen already - pardon the redundancy but I'd like to know what you all think of how I'm doing in terms of composition and keeping my photos looking professional. I'll note what lens it's from:

« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 11:11:17 PM by Utopia »
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 08:40:30 PM »
#1 Personally, I would try to get the street to go more diagonally across the picture.  The street itself has some angle, but the curb is more straight up the middle.  And the curb draws my eye first.  If you want to be different, get down lower.  Have the horizon way towards the top.
#2-5 and other landscape shots. They're too normal.  For me, the trees framing on the sides of the shot are just too overdone.  Unless there was something interesting in the shot.  On the ocean shot and the field, there's not anchor in the foregroung.  For the lone tree, its does have some interest.  In the tree and its braches are very crisp.  But it needs something in the sky.
#6 I would have liked to see a little bit more depth of field on the drink itself.  The drink appears to be foamy, wouldn't it be great to see that foam?  You can get that depth of field by seting up your dof and centering on the cup, then locking focus or recomposing or cropping in post.  Also, a lensbaby would really do wonders on that shot.  Perhaps some more very out of focus objects in the background?  And really take advatage of all the lines you have available to use in that shot.  The table edges, the straw, sides of the cup.
#7-8 I actually like these shots.  Especially the dog.  Its at a wierd angle.  It first makes you wonder if the image was rotated the wrong way.  Makes me think about the image.  Only thing is maybe crop more of the right side off to get rid of the bush?  But I am a sucker for images where the nose and face are in focus and the rest of the body of the animal is out of focus.  I am really into shallow dof.
#9 To me, this image is very compelling.  She's not just sitting there smiling.  She has an inquisitive expression on her face and I love the out of focus background.
#10 Gotta be careful taking pictures of woman's butts!  LOL  I think this would be another lensbaby picture.  Get the dog's face through the chair in focus and get everything else out of focus. 
#11 I love this picture.  Its not sharp, its black and white.  It has an older look to it.  The horizon not being level works for me too.  If you straighten this horizon, everything else goes out of wack. 
#12 I like the bridge, the colors, the focus.  Its jus the composition.  Get higher or lower if possible and crop out the dead space on the right?
Your flower shots.  To me, the really white/pink roses are too blown out.  Now, I think that could work, if there were softer.  It looks like the second rose has a shallow dof.  I would take that out of focus and if a flash was used, bouce it off a reflect of diffuse it. 
I love drops of water on a plant or flower.  For some real fun, get as close as you can to either see a reflection in the water drop, or see through the water drops. 
If you are going to draw back and have the flower with lots of green space around it, I prefer to have that green space as out of focus as possible.  Almost to were you can't see the edges between different shades of green.  You want it to meld together.  If you're going to have a flower off center, I like to see the stem.  This will add direction and will lead the viewer's eye to the flower.
The black and white close up is really cool.  Try having the center of the flower directly centered in the picture.  I know this goes against conventional thinking and the rules of composition.  But, look at the semetry of that flower. 
The ocean shot with the rocks.  To me, they need to be a bit more in focus and more to the lower left or right. 
The luggage.  Crop to get rid of the openess on the right.  I'd like to see the edge just right of the top luggage piece.  By doing this, the subject goes from lower left to upper right of the photograph. 
I could be way off on these.  So, just my opinions on them.
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 11:11:46 PM »
Thanks for the replies!

That gives me a starting point.

Any good references on composition you can think of?
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 09:18:01 AM »
Thanks for the replies!

That gives me a starting point.

Any good references on composition you can think of?
I don't think composition is anything that can really be taught beyond the things like rule of thirds, golden ratio, leading lines, converging lines, near far, overlap, etc. Still though, in my opinion, those sorts of compositions are just starting points. They are not hard fast rules that have to be obeyed. Well, now I am just rambling on when all I was coming here to say is that I have no clue of a teaching area that helps with any of this other than explaining what the rules of composition are. Sorry.
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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 09:00:35 AM »
Here is my advice.

Add foreground interest...that's the ticket. Ultra wide angles are unusual lenses....they aren't for "getting it all in"...that results in bland images....

check out this article by Ken Rockwell...How to use wide angle lenses...it's an eye opener.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm

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Re: Learning angles and composition
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 01:32:20 PM »
Close ups with that lens has to be as much fun as it is with my Tokina 11-16.