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Author Topic: Help with File Format Conversion  (Read 924 times)

Offline AndyCivil

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 07:22:15 PM »
I also hated the fact that the movies were .mov because it was like it smelled of Apple; I wondered how much Apple paid them to switch to their proprietary format. But then I discovered that you can 'strip off' the Apple container easily and there's a very open data stream in there, waiting for you to use as you wish. So your anger is misplaced. Sorry.

And yes, using a command line is not trivial because it's so unforgiving; but I'm poised to try to give you (and others) the easiest solution possible (and free) but before I do that, I want confirmation that an example file does actually work on the PS3. I don't possess a PS3, we have a couple of Wiis.

Until you download and try out the example video I posted on dropbox for you, your attitude seems a little hollow. And I'm sorry for the folks on geekzone who indeed seem to have the same issue - but perhaps our forum is better  :P

Offline xNighx

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 08:56:58 PM »
- but perhaps our forum is better  :P

you said it!!

Offline Davekyn

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 09:07:51 PM »
Sorry Andy, just getting tired with it was all. I am sure its more my understanding that is holding me back and not your explanations. I do struggle with dyslexia and get very frustrated at times. Despite almost giving up, I tried Stream Clip again and finally selected the right variables to get is working on my PS3.

I do appreciate your input and was not meaning to ignore your links at all. I tried hard to understand, but was getting a sore head ... happens easily though.

My attitude has somewhat suddenly changed at seeing the pictured displayed on my PS3. Stremclip took it from a 394MB file down to a 70MB one yet it looks almost as clear and sharp as on my PC across a 46inch screen. NOW I think its a good video camera as well ... LOL funny how perspective can change.

Now I will have to learn the fine line between file size and quality.

Thanks for letting me sound out at any rate, as well as the help. I would never of thought of streamclip if not for Tichro ... Thanks Mate !!!

Offline AndyCivil

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 09:37:43 PM »
Understood! Computers can be very frustrating, for sure. I'm glad you've got a solution, I'm slightly (but only slightly) concerned that the file size is reduced, because it implies that it's lower quality. Now, having said that, there are two reasons that the smaller file may be perfectly acceptable, namely:
  • A computer simply has more processing power than a camera, so your PC may be able to compress the video more efficiently with barely any loss of quality. I'm not saying this is true, I'm just saying it's possible.
  • When you're choosing a data rate vs. quality, there's a 'law of diminishing returns' for turning up the data rate even more. Therefore, all those extra bits may not be adding quality that you can actually perceive on your TV. Canon would have had this problem when deciding what data rate to choose; I imagine that they wanted the best quality possible, but at a rate that was reasonable for SD technology. I'm guessing that they chose just under 6MB/s because they wanted the less expensive Class 6 cards to work.

By the way, is there anyone else out there with a PS3 that could try this small file for me?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29946529/mvi_2218.mp4

If it does work, then I think it's worth trying to put together EASY instructions for how to repackage (I won't call it convert, because leaving the video stream untouched is important) a Canon video file for the PS3.

And I sympathise with the dyslexia thing; I've watched several kids grow up, and there's a wide variety of natural ability with the written word - and it doesn't necessarily go hand-in-hand with intelligence! So often, people think it does, though.

Offline Davekyn

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 06:22:17 AM »
Once again forgive me Andy ... I often miss the the questions. I was so consumed with what I wanted to do, that I missed what you were asking.

I saved link as ... and tried your file over the network to my PS3 as I have now been successfully doing with my streamclip conversions, however am sad to say, that your file came up with the following error on my PS3:

The Data Type is not supported
(800288BC)

Re files sizes ... I don't mind the loss of quality at 100% on streamclip as it really is not that noticeable. My computer specs are pretty good ... or still pretty good.

I'm an Avid PC builder and have built many over many years for friends and family.

Currently I running of an
i72600k,
16GB C8 Gskill DDR3 RipJaws,
OCZ SSD solid state drives,
2XATI Gigabyte OC 7950 2GB cards in crossfire
Silver stone 1200 Watt gold edition power supply
all running of a high end Gigabyte MB
specifically used as the deciding factor for each component selected, with stability in mind
Re...Overclocking..............
assembled in a silver stone Pro gamers Case
with a host of other cooling, and useful add ons...
Multiple Monitors
Digital Triton Pro 5.1 Headset and all the BluRay bliss
an elite executive space recliner
Latest Razor Keyboard with all the fancy lights, inbuilt display and mouse to go with it.
.....Oh yea...
plus foot rest !!! 

I had some insurance money come in, so built two of them ... one for me and one for the kid.

Its a kick ass gaming machine ... that doubles as a powerful number cruncher, since I started with all this multimedia and the arrival of my canon eos 550D  ;D

I remember (some time ago) when it took the better part of a day to line up like three DVD/Divx rips with autogordin knot ... Thank God things have moved along since then.

Hope you can work out some of the kinks in that file?
So far, I have been having fun with getting the lowest file size possible for youtube and still having it look good. Its just a shame that our Bandwidth and data allocations are so low in Australia. Since I will be networking most of them to the PS3 large sizes wont matter so much ... However the fun creative stuff I have seen people doing is most likely something I will later want to play with myself ... and this will require a learning curve to squeeze out as much perfection in the smallest amount of bits possible so I can upload more and still keep the eye candy.  :)










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Offline AndyCivil

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2012, 12:17:07 PM »
Thanks for answering, I'm sorry the file didn't work, but it's as well to know. I can think of a couple of reasons why it may not accept the file, it could be the "fourcc" or it could be a quirk of the codec, namely that the vertical resolution of 1080 is not a multiple of 16, so because the H.264 breaks the vid into 16x16 blocks, part of the file holds the resolution as 1920x1088 instead of 1920x1080. I've got a friend with a PS3 that's away at the moment, but when he returns, I'll try a few different things to see if I can find a solution that doesn't give that error. Meanwhile, I guess you're happy with streamclip!

I also build my own PCs, so I hear you on that one - but I don't usually spend so much money! I just like to have control over what's in my box, and know that it's all standard.

Offline Davekyn

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 05:15:44 AM »
The benefits of not having a mortgage I guess. Actually the video cards, are HD 9670 OC series, but who's counting. I like to max out my motherboard to it's full capacity.

Offline johnshevi

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Re: Help with File Format Conversion
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2012, 09:04:42 PM »
Another fantastic option for conversion is http://handbrake.fr/ which I have personally used extensively. *Keep in mind though, that using this software WILL re-encode the video, which WILL result in a loss of quality.

Probably the best viewing option would have to be http://www.videolan.org/vlc/. Don't get discouraged by its uninteresting skin, its so incredibly powerful and customizable that I can almost guarantee you love it. Plus it'll play almost any video or audio file you can throw at it, and don't take that lightly, I am not exaggerating. In my years of usage, I have never experienced VLC failing to play a file.


Handbrake is a nice tool to convert files, but keep in mind that it cant output AVI files.
WinFF is a GUI for the command line video converter, FFMPEG. FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video.
i am using it.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2012, 07:39:33 PM by johnshevi »